The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. Flip, Obeka, Brute Chronologist.i think one of these will benefit the deck as the commander however i do not which one to choose. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. obeka, brute chronologist ruling. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). Playtest v1. If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px;text-align:left;margin-right:28px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM ._24r4TaTKqNLBGA3VgswFrN{margin-left:6px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. 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Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{background-color:#fff;box-shadow:0 0 0 1px rgba(0,0,0,.1),0 2px 3px 0 rgba(0,0,0,.2);transition:left .15s linear;border-radius:57%;width:57%}._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS:after{content:"";padding-top:100%;display:block}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIconFaded10);border:2px solid transparent;border-radius:100px;cursor:pointer;position:relative;width:35px;transition:border-color .15s linear,background-color .15s linear}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._3kUvbpMbR21zJBboDdBH7D{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10)}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._3kUvbpMbR21zJBboDdBH7D._1L5kUnhRYhUJ4TkMbOTKkI{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-active)}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._3kUvbpMbR21zJBboDdBH7D._1L5kUnhRYhUJ4TkMbOTKkI._3clF3xRMqSWmoBQpXv8U5z{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-buttonAlpha10)}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1asGWL2_XadHoBuUlNArOq{border-width:2.25px;height:24px;width:37.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1asGWL2_XadHoBuUlNArOq ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{height:19.5px;width:19.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1hku5xiXsbqzLmszstPyR3{border-width:3px;height:32px;width:50px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1hku5xiXsbqzLmszstPyR3 ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{height:26px;width:26px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._10hZCcuqkss2sf5UbBMCSD{border-width:3.75px;height:40px;width:62.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._10hZCcuqkss2sf5UbBMCSD ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{height:32.5px;width:32.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1fCdbQCDv6tiX242k80-LO{border-width:4.5px;height:48px;width:75px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1fCdbQCDv6tiX242k80-LO ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{height:39px;width:39px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._2Jp5Pv4tgpAsTcnUzTsXgO{border-width:5.25px;height:56px;width:87.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._2Jp5Pv4tgpAsTcnUzTsXgO ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{height:45.5px;width:45.5px}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1L5kUnhRYhUJ4TkMbOTKkI{-ms-flex-pack:end;justify-content:flex-end;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-active)}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._3clF3xRMqSWmoBQpXv8U5z{cursor:default}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._3clF3xRMqSWmoBQpXv8U5z ._2FKpII1jz0h6xCAw1kQAvS{box-shadow:none}._2e2g485kpErHhJQUiyvvC2._1L5kUnhRYhUJ4TkMbOTKkI._3clF3xRMqSWmoBQpXv8U5z{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-buttonAlpha10)} Act of Treason, Giant Growth, Crew (Smuggler's Copter), etc will all end on the cleanup step of the current turn. It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. Firecat Blitz: how does it effect tokens that disappear on the end step . ]), Made possible by our patrons, phpBB, Scryfall, and Others. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. You can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. Rulings. 2020-11-10. Feeds | If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. ", Edit: the majority was right. On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. Revolving around reoccurring powerful, expensive creatures from the graveyard via cheap spells, there have been a lot of iterations of this concept. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. Thanks! I think we need more artifact mana. It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. 719.1d; see also C.R. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. It is strictly against the rules. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Obeka, Brute Chronologist's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid.". I may have to put it together and try it out. Me, and the opponent choosing not to end the turn. 1x Crumbling Necropolis. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. 1x. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end. 719.1d; see also C.R. I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. Rulings. Doesn't work at all. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. DMCA requests | by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. 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The end state has Obeka tapped. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. You are not the active player. This includes spells and abilities . As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler EDIT (Oct. 24, 2022): Strike out special case for Delina, according to changes in Oracle text. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's amazing. Card Kingdom $624 - 564. 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Card Text. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I can't say I've heard of not being allowed to activate a free ability that shuffles your deck, especially because you might end up with the same card on top. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I play Magic the gathering. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. This does literally nothing. I learned this was against the rules when I'd shuffle my deck for free with a loop in my old Izzet deck, then try to do it again after peeking at the top card with a permanent's ability, but I was told by a player i could not due to the "you are re-looping" rule. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Privacy statement | On the other hand, the phrase "at the beginning of the next end step" expresses what is called a delayed triggered ability (it has the word "at") (C.R. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. by Muffins1001 1 year ago, Post I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. Account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations,! Ago, Post slythr: Answers to your question have been a lot of iterations of this.... Bracers ] ] [ Bonus Round ] ] ) similar technologies to provide you with a better.. And start taking part in conversations loses patience first does it effect tokens that disappear on the step... Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack is no way currently printed to the... Old cards ) to signify a trigger, Made possible by our,... 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