They aren't " in the pipeline" yet regarding training , experience or anything else yet. Enough of my rant! You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. A wise cadet will be mindful of their position. If you salute a cadet, who is not a commissioned officer you would be making the entire "First Salute" ceremony asinine if cadets had been entitled to salutes the entire time. In 2012, he was awarded a Master of Public Administration from John Jay College in New York, New York, with a concentration in human resources management, and is a member of the Adjutant General Corps Regimental Association. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree (not that you can argue with the regs). My CTLT with D 1/47th IN (1983) was an amazing experience preparing me to enter an Army in transition, and the esprit de corps and commitment to duty extended from CPT Barber to every member of the command, even their temporary members (a USMA Cadet and me), with especially valuable membership from NCOs in the command. No, I always salute them and treat them as officers, and I make sure everyone else does too, he replied in total sincerity. We can feel confident we did our hob helping train a. Cadets salute one another and it is initiated according to cadet rank. CDT military IDs show geneva convention status 3. Adept been officially assigned a position in the chain of command? Private Industry, n Chief Readiness Flight Eielson AFB, AK Appreciate your reply. Throughout his career as both an Airman and Civilian, he has served in numerous assignments at locations: n Chief, Public Works Fort Eustis, VA Combined Forces Special Operations Component Command, n Deputy Division Chief, Enduring Sites Division Baghdad, Iraq Before assuming responsibility, Coffey was the command sergeant major for the 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Georgia. We get people whose ideals are from left field and seem to think the Army is their play ground. If you run a command climate where you relegate your NCOs to small picture things, you will be a small picture unit and your good NCOs will find their way out of your unit and you will be left with small picture, tunnel vision type folks such as those that you describe. Strangely enough, the Services expect the exact same behavior as "officers and gentlemen" (and of course ladies) from cadets and midshipmen, as they are also subject to Article 133, even lacking a commission, and some are dismissed from the Service every year for violating Article 133. Salute were means of communication. Mainly because I do belive the new generation of officers are a bunch of participation trophy recieving, never held accountable, privileged, idiots who can't handle that all that academy training and degree mean jack shit but to stroke their since of superiority over others. The views expressed are those of the authors, and do not reflect the official position of the United States Military Academy, Department of the Army, or Department of Defense. She has served as Operations NCOIC since 2017. We want to mold a new Officer to become a great leader we can always remember but there's a limit to what we're willing to do. WEST POINT, NY (Oct. 14, 2016) - The U.S. Army and the U.S . First, what an insult to a SNCO that instead of a 1SG with 10 plus years of experience leading soldiers in the absence of officers A Cadet would be next in succession. I agree totally with enlisted not saluting a cadet. Somewhat surprised by this, and thinking back to my own experiences in CTLT, I asked why he felt that way. So when would a cadet actually be in charge? And you'll have to deal with the reality that there are better men out there and you may be in over your head but don't blame others for your shortcomings. The authors creative example about an NCO looking at a lugnut and an officer looking at the whole vehicle is nuts (bad humor). I was a 13B20-Gunner. West Point grads are elite and you know it, Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. I asked if he gave the cadets in his unit a hard time as part of their CTLT experience. A Leaders Guide to Conducting Research Staff Rides, Its a Bird, Its a Plane, Its. Of course there is a certain type of officer who fails to get it. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. You are not a leader because you graduated from an academy. Ask any SJA. Prior to his assignment at West Point, Sergeant Major Schlegel was assigned to the U.S. Army Medical Command Band at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, where he served as the personnel and administration branch chief and performed as principal trumpet in the Concert Band, Jazz Combo, and Rock Band. Of course, there is another reason to treat West Point and ROTC cadets with respect: they are not going to be cadets forever. CSM Craven has also earned the German, Chilean, and Australian Parachutist badges and is a member of the Prestigious Sergeant Audie Murphy Club. (Still, there is no need to salute them. OK, fine. indicating superior social status. I never got gigged for not saluting another LT, so I didnt think much of it. Treat the Cadets with respect. Haha. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. Pro-Tip: Don't make a blog post, offer a comment section, then expect not to be schooled by your elders, especially when taking a condescending tone. I wondered about it at the time and this reminded me of it, is this more of like a courtesy thing where Warrants dont salute each other and shake hands instead? One of these ignorant academy types was my battalion XO at Fort Ord. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. I pray that you are only a LT yourself. He graduated with a Master of Music in composition from Bowling Green State University and a Bachelor of Music in composition from the Capital University Conservatory of Music. Staff Sergeant Paul Hadwiger, from Kirksville, Missouri, joined the West Point Band in July of 2018. I would argue that the NCO/CO rivalries have started as a result of more modern times as compared to past wars and generations and honestly it should stop. Your email address will not be published. However, the announcement will indicate assumption as acting commander unless designated as permanent by the proper authority. They've shown great patience, respected my process, and I am grateful for these SFCs, MSGs, and SGMs. You'll be hearing from us soon! He previously served as Music Arranger and NCOIC of Sound, Staging, and Lighting at the 113th Army Band "Dragoons" in Fort Knox, Kentucky. He previously served as the NCOIC of supply at the U.S. Army School of Music. Incorrect. You are absolutely wrong. After just two years of military service, Poe attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery, the highest enlisted rank open to him. He recently earned the Professional in Human Resources Certification through the Human Resources Certification Institute. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. come from many NCO's who claim that "NCO's are the backbone of the Army". In 2003 we never went slower than 55, usually 60 MPH and we never lost anyone. Boy if it wasn't entertainment at its best. Sergeant Major Jeremy Schlegel, from Hanover Township, Pennsylvania, joined the West Point Band in August of 2008. For example, if a division headquarters and headquarters company commander is temporarily absent, the executive officer as the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier who performs duties within the headquarters company would assume command and not the division commander. HUGE US Army Sergeants Major Academy USASMA Ft Bliss Military Challenge Coin 6" Sponsored . Only through a wriiten agreement from the pms tonthe guard commander are allowed to serve as acting LT's. AR 600-20 lists command structure. Thought about it and stored it away and drove on. "The purpose of West Point, therefore, is not to act as a glorified drill sergeant but to lay the foundation upon which a career in growth of military knowledge can be based and to accompany it by two indispensable additions; first, such a general education as educated . Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). That just goes to show that the regular cadets get crapped on and they can't change it. Everyone knows that the lowest Army private outranks the highest cadet right? This would be wiser than placing a WP Year 1 cadet in charge of it. The reason "cadets" are even mention in a gentlemans role is due to long ago medieval social customs. ). Speed is your friend in a convoy, never drive slower than the rest of the civilian traffic, that way when a bad guy is trying to catch up to your convoy, he sticks out big time and the rear vehicle can easily engage him. The cadet never will outrank a sergeant first class, master sergeant first sergeant sergeant major etc. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Shiver me timbers he pooped on the deck. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? In fact, based on my experience there are some West Pointers out there who never learned that. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U.S. government. Major Rusty A.. Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. Hands on training.. they eill not actually be cooking but learning from hose that do it daily.. The garrison supports a base population of over 16,500 Soldiers, Civilians, Family Members, and Contractors as well as supporting over 40,000 retirees in the area. Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate - Training), on December 20, 2020. Upon completion of Basic and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma he began his military career as a Field Artillery Surveyor. So you are always busy and have something to do. On Thursday, January 21, it was reported that the US Army launched an investigation after the unmasking of a supposedly semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of West Point Military Academy allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has deployed to Kosovo and Iraq. I learned something that day. Cadets are not commissioned nor do they possess a warrant. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. West Point outlines quarantine, isolation guidelines in playbook April 1, 2020. I believe my words only carried weight because I've already been in the Army for 10 years and the Senior cadre knew this (I didn't get in any trouble). Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or absence of the commander. The U.S. Army, alerted that the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point reportedly violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) by tweeting criticism of former President Donald Trump and also targeted Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and Ohio GOP Rep. Jim Jordan has commenced an investigation. A rescinding announcement is required if the temporary assumption of command is for an indefinite period. While CTLT is a useful and important mentorship and developmental activity, many units see CTLT as a drag, and dealing with cadets as a hassle. CSM Cravens military education includes all levels of the Non-Commissioned Officer Education System culminating with the United States Army Sergeants Major Academy. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of The cadet qualifies here too because s/he is obviously present for duty, as assigned. That same reg AR 600-20, Command Policy specifically states they will be addressed as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet" not Sir or Mam. Battalion Command Sergeant Major, 1BN, 1st Regiment, USCC at United States Military Academy at West Point United States Military Academy at West Point View profile View profile badges Other courses attended include the U.S. Army Airborne School, Air Assault School, Combative Level 2, Master Resiliency Trainers Course, Battle Staff Course, First Sergeants Course, and the United States Army Force-Management Course. I am a cadet and am military police and drill with them as well. The U.S. Military Academy at West Point's mission is "to educate, train, and inspire the Corps of Cadets so that each graduate is a commissioned leader of character committed to the values of Duty, Honor, Country and prepared for a career of professional excellence and service to the Nation as an officer in the United States Army." Will that is incorrect. Due to the nature of promotions in the Guard at the time, he was still serving as the XO and was still a 1st LT. when I walked in wearing my Class As. Always seek the minority view of any situation or story! I say this as a retired officer. Cadets saluted officers of all United States uniformed services. As a CDT, I was generally treated pretty well at my unit, this could have been because I was Mustang Officer in training and a former NCO, and that my CO was part of the cadre at Western Illinois, so she made it a point to assign me to a vacant officer position, in this case kind of a huge assignment as the Maintenance PLT LDR at a MED Truck CO, whereas most units dont even know what to do with a CDT. As the DGC, he manages Garrison staff operations in support of the United States Military Academy mission. The two year enlistment term allowed for cadets who had to temporarily halt training because of illness or injury. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. but after I had earned my keep so to speak he spent a lot of time teaching and mentoring this Dot head and when I was commissioned he took time off from his civilian job to come to the commissioning ceremony to congratulate me. And cadets initiate salutes to any commissioned officer. Staff Sergeant Noah D. Taylor of Columbus, Ohio, joined the West Point Band in May of 2015. -Mentor these young cadets so that they can grow into the Officers that will leverage all the outstanding traits of the NCO Corps. Command Sergeant Major Fraser previous positions and assignments include G1 Sergeant Major, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command, Fort Hood, Texas; First Sergeant, Bravo Company and Reception Transition Unit, Fort Benning, Georgia; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 501st Sustainment Brigade, Camp Carroll, Korea; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 1st ABCT, Fort Riley, Kansas; Battalion S1 NCOIC, 2-4 FAR, Fort Sill, Oklahoma; Senior Drill Sergeant, B 2-39 INF REGT, Fort Jackson, South Carolina; Brigade S3 Operations Sergeant and Customer Support Branch, 1st PERSCOM, Schwetzingen, Germany; Personnel Administrative Sergeant, 87th CSSB, Fort Stewart, Georgia; Assistant Brigade Personnel Sergeant, Personnel Administrative NCO and Training Room NCO, 1st Brigade, Fort Stewart, Georgia. Most recently, CSM Craven was the Command Sergeant Major for the 5th Security Force Assistance Brigade (SFAB) at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington. In July 2001, after graduation from high school, Perez entered the United States Military Academy at West Point. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. We have other job description s (stores /rations handling.. what that person is responsible for , order for commissary ration/breakdown The better we helped him to understand the less he has to look for answers. Scotts writing focuses largely on veterans issues, but he is also a big proponent of Constitutional rights and has a deep interest in politics. I was assigned to the 25th ID in 1972. Staff Sergeant Taylor is an accomplished composer whose works have been internationally published and performed. This rank business is a technicality of the rank system. Master Sergeant Loy Song has played in the Concert Band and Jazz Knights trumpet sections, was a founding member and lead singer of the Benny Havens Band, and is now a member of the Support Staff. And make it quick Lieutenant. Rrrrr matey, were be that 3rd Lieutenant. And yet, the UCMJ does hold all commissioned officers, including CW2-CW5, accountable for their behavior, as they are subject to Article 133, Conduct Unbecoming and Officer and Gentlemen. You probably dont salute WOs either because you think theyre beneath you as well. Anyway. My CWO put him in his place and ask what would this cadet' commanding officer would think of his conduct and told him to leave. I'm not a regular progression cadet so this is a better look at the situation. While the other sources trained and commissioned officers for all USAF career fields, the Aviation Cadet Corps produced only pilots and navigators. We only go to attention for officers. Sure I went through some hazing ( Sir, could you go to the motor pool and ask the motor sergeant for a left thermal heat reticle calibration tool? I was sent all over the place until I finally caught on.) Some points I wanted to make sure I hit are: -No, you don't have to call them sir/ma'am or salute them, but you absolutely should show them the respect you would like to receive. Unprofessional. A Gunny at 29Palms RTAMS and a Chief at NASA/AMES CA are among my most treasured mentors. Paras 2-9 and 2-10, AR 600-20 further reinforce Scott Faiths important points here. Requirements for a USAF Aviation Cadet at the time were two years of college and passing scores on a series of IQ and skills tests such as mathematics, logic, and spatial relations. The West Point Music Research Center is dedicated to understanding and communicating the effects of music through multi-disciplinary research and analysis. So cadets are included in the definition. We are officers in training and when we get a chanve at a leadership role with the guidance of the NCOs it will ensure our success as officers. Joseph John Quichocho, 1SG E-8 RETIRED US ARMY. Sorry- from a legal perspective there is a lot not discussed. And taken that way. The smart ones find a good NCO to mentor them. I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. Greetings from West Point and welcome to the Commandant's Corner. Born in Heidelberg, West Germany, of African American and Hispanic parents in a U.S. military family, she graduated from Oxon Hill High School in Maryland, where she ranked among the top-10 students in her class. "b. DeCA, West Point Commissary adjust . It would be earned when I became the kind of Officer that he would be honored to serve as right hand to. America's Oldest U.S. Army Garrison & Home to the United States Military Academy Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate. They aren't commissioned yet, and as pointed out above, they are considered equivalent to an E-5. Hell, we even had SGMs who wouldnt butter bars and 1LTs, unless you earned it by being high speed and they knew it. I did 24 years in the ARMY and have been led by West Pointers! Time to Plan for Drones in Other Domains, An Urban Warfare Experts Christmas Wish List, The MWI Top Ten: Our Most Read Articles of 2022, Frank Sobchak Joins MWI as Chair of Irregular Warfare Studies, Announcing the Modern War Institutes 202223 Senior and Research Fellows, Call for Submissions: Civil-Military Relations and Modern War, Call for Applications: MWIs 202223 Fellows Program. Your email address will not be published. Saluting a cadet completely invalidates the First Salute ceremony when they commission. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. Command Sgt. The supervising doctor might ask the medical student to do certain things a doctor would normally do (recommend a prescription, put in sutures, read test or x-ray results), but only with direct physician supervision. sgm guevara's awards and decorations include the bronze star, meritorious service medal (2nd award), the army commendation medal (3rd award), the army achievement medal (4th award), the master parachutist badge, the ranger tab, the pathfinder badge, the combat infantryman badge, the expert infantryman badge, the air assault badge, the el salvador The Army is always evolving but power bitches have always been around, we just don't frag them as we used to. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute. How dare enlisted swine preside over a command position? Officers, commissioned warrant officers, midshipmen, cadets, candidates are all affordedofficer status. Am forwarding this to my son. First off the reg says regularly assigned personnel, which the Cadets are not. Not only do NCO's get shit on by their LT's but sometimes the LT is getting shit on by his Company Commander. Podcast The rank of a cadet is for protocol issues alone such as where to stand in a receiving line or where to sit at a formal dinner. Great investment. She earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts in graphic design from the School of Visual Arts in New York City. Prior to serving in the Army, he was a high school percussion instructor and earned a Bachelor of Arts in music from Truman State University in Missouri. You see there is a important reason that the strap be properly secured to the six foot ground rod driven into the ground. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. IMCOM Directorate - Training, n Deputy/Director Fort Bragg, NC Or a sergeant major for that matter. Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. FOOLISH it is for there to be any antagonism between NCOs and cadets, or NCOs and lieutenants. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. I respect them all but I just wonder what makes them "Elite" as you say? The key to success in your career is understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your key players AKA your subordinate leaders and junior Soldiers. West Point Staff Deputy Chief of Staff: Adjutant General (G1) Deputy Chief of Staff: Strategic Plans and Assessment (G5) Chief Information Officer/G6 Deputy Chief of Staff: Operations, Plans, Training, Force Protection, International Affairs and Security Cooperation Inspector General Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Equal Opportunity SHARP Office Subscribe to our email newsletter to receive exclusive news, updates, and concert schedules for the band. The NCO referred me to AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. I the DC power device safe from accidental shock. I felt honored to have him there. Or a sergeant major for that matter. It's hilarious when reality trumps the entitlement issues of a newly hatched fetus. Every single SNCO I've come in contact with in ROTC has developed me as an Officer. Let me explain: Its summertime, and for many cadets in the Armys ROTC programs and at West Point, that means Cadet Troop Leader Training or CTLT. If married his spouse is always addressed a "Lady so and so.". So our government invested thousands on a lying, dishonest, ill-informed, and immature man child to lead others. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs It's virtually guaranteed there are at least one or two SNCO in a given company qualified to take a short term command of the company. A honorific form of address indicating respect but only for officers under the rank of knight. Sergeant First Class Ehrin Anthony joined the West Point Band in August of 2014. Other notable assignments include working within the 2/320, United States Military Academy Preparatory School, Simon Center for the Professional Military Ethic. Is anyone able to give me a solid answer to this question? They're inchoate officers. Luckily, my trusty CWO officer witness this kid who likes to give orders about something he knows nothing about and showing his outstanding example of a true and morale officer. I think the part of the reg people have over looked is "the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command". But usually, you're the one doing most of the work. I let crap roll off of my back, but when I attended Fort Knox this last summer there were way too many NCOs who had a big chip on their shoulder. Has the. entitled to the salute.". He also volunteers with local community organizations such as Higher Ground Men's Group, Men of St. Joseph, and the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Choir. 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